Charlie as Em Ahead of their show PHONEY at The Bread & Roses Theatre this September, we spoke with Finn and Charlie about their upcoming show.
What inspired you to create "PHONEY"? Was there a particular event or personal experience that sparked the idea?
The idea for PHONEY was sparked by Finn hearing Charlie talk about their experiences with phone sex work, and thinking about how he would feel doing that work as a trans man. From that, the idea of creating a play about a trans man doing phone sex became very stuck in Finn’s mind, and he sat on the idea for a couple of years before finding the right time, and the perfect co-creator (which of course had to be Charlie!)
Can you tell us more about the characters Raphie and Em? How did you develop their personalities and their dynamic?
We are completely unashamed to say that Raphie and Em are based on our own personalities, and they are absolutely the most exaggerated (and potentially the worst!) versions of ourselves. As Charlie once said: “our friendship is an improv exercise for PHONEY”, and at one point when Finn was being particularly useless choosing an outfit for a night out, Charlie genuinely accidentally called him ‘Raphie’ in response!
What are the main themes you aim to explore in "PHONEY"? Is there a particular message you hope the audience takes away?
We want the audience to take away that sex work is more than just ‘good’ and ‘bad’, it is nuanced. Charlie’s experiences showed them that sex work can be both hilarious and horrifying. We also want to show complete humanisation of both trans people, and sex workers. We think it’s also important to bring to light how difficult it is to access HRT as a trans person, both in terms of long NHS waiting lists, the costs of private treatment, and the external pressures from friends, family, and society. Additionally, it was important to us to show the variety of experience in the queer community - neither Raphie or Em are cis, but their respective gender identities and presentations mean they experience the world differently.
What inspired you to create "PHONEY"? Was there a particular event or personal experience that sparked the idea?
The idea for PHONEY was sparked by Finn hearing Charlie talk about their experiences with phone sex work, and thinking about how he would feel doing that work as a trans man. From that, the idea of creating a play about a trans man doing phone sex became very stuck in Finn’s mind, and he sat on the idea for a couple of years before finding the right time, and the perfect co-creator (which of course had to be Charlie!)
Can you tell us more about the characters Raphie and Em? How did you develop their personalities and their dynamic?
We are completely unashamed to say that Raphie and Em are based on our own personalities, and they are absolutely the most exaggerated (and potentially the worst!) versions of ourselves. As Charlie once said: “our friendship is an improv exercise for PHONEY”, and at one point when Finn was being particularly useless choosing an outfit for a night out, Charlie genuinely accidentally called him ‘Raphie’ in response!
What are the main themes you aim to explore in "PHONEY"? Is there a particular message you hope the audience takes away?
We want the audience to take away that sex work is more than just ‘good’ and ‘bad’, it is nuanced. Charlie’s experiences showed them that sex work can be both hilarious and horrifying. We also want to show complete humanisation of both trans people, and sex workers. We think it’s also important to bring to light how difficult it is to access HRT as a trans person, both in terms of long NHS waiting lists, the costs of private treatment, and the external pressures from friends, family, and society. Additionally, it was important to us to show the variety of experience in the queer community - neither Raphie or Em are cis, but their respective gender identities and presentations mean they experience the world differently.













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